# Lon, lat not included in starnote note **URL:** \ **Category:** Notecard API\ **Created:** [April 30, 2025, 12:37pm UTC](https://discuss.blues.com/t/lon-lat-not-included-in-starnote-note/3017 "2025-04-30T12:37:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![gauteh](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/discuss.blues.com/gauteh/32/269_2.png) [@gauteh](https://discuss.blues.com/u/gauteh)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2025, 6:22pm UTC](https://discuss.blues.com/t/lon-lat-not-included-in-starnote-note/3017/21 "2025-05-09T18:22:08Z")
Ok, great. I may be pushing the byte limit too close. Can I trust the template size return value? And use the rest for payload? ---
**Author:** ![RobLauer](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/discuss.blues.com/roblauer/32/1567_2.png) [@RobLauer](https://discuss.blues.com/u/RobLauer)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2025, 8:01pm UTC](https://discuss.blues.com/t/lon-lat-not-included-in-starnote-note/3017/22 "2025-05-09T20:01:13Z")
Yes, that is what I would do! ---
**Author:** ![gauteh](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/discuss.blues.com/gauteh/32/269_2.png) [@gauteh](https://discuss.blues.com/u/gauteh)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2025, 7:52am UTC](https://discuss.blues.com/t/lon-lat-not-included-in-starnote-note/3017/23 "2025-05-23T07:52:35Z")
Hi, Did you look into this? I have checked that template.bytes + payload is below 256 bytes total. – gaute ---
**Author:** ![RobLauer](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/discuss.blues.com/roblauer/32/1567_2.png) [@RobLauer](https://discuss.blues.com/u/RobLauer)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2025, 1:51pm UTC](https://discuss.blues.com/t/lon-lat-not-included-in-starnote-note/3017/24 "2025-05-23T13:51:03Z")
Hi @gauteh, Yes, the firmware team is looking into this issue. It’s a very tricky situation with Starnote/NTN as the maximum packet size is 256 bytes. However, as the end user it’s almost impossible for you to perfectly calculate the exact number of bytes your Note is going to use. For example, if anything being sent in the packet requires encryption, that takes 28 bytes out. In NTN mode I might enforce an artificial limit of 200 bytes for now to see if that helps. You are on the bleeding edge here as most of our Starnote users are not sending this much data! Rob ---
**Author:** ![gauteh](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/discuss.blues.com/gauteh/32/269_2.png) [@gauteh](https://discuss.blues.com/u/gauteh)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2025, 2:10pm UTC](https://discuss.blues.com/t/lon-lat-not-included-in-starnote-note/3017/25 "2025-05-23T14:10:20Z")
Hm ok. I have about 10 bytes margin calculated in. Going to the field in the north Sea in 1.5 weeks. Then I really need it to work! 😬😁 ---
**Author:** ![gauteh](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/discuss.blues.com/gauteh/32/269_2.png) [@gauteh](https://discuss.blues.com/u/gauteh)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2025, 10:36am UTC](https://discuss.blues.com/t/lon-lat-not-included-in-starnote-note/3017/26 "2025-11-11T10:36:28Z")
Why does the startnote have an additional GPS? It always requires a notecard, which always already has a GPS? ---
**Author:** ![RobLauer](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/discuss.blues.com/roblauer/32/1567_2.png) [@RobLauer](https://discuss.blues.com/u/RobLauer)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2025, 4:52pm UTC](https://discuss.blues.com/t/lon-lat-not-included-in-starnote-note/3017/27 "2025-11-11T16:52:59Z")
Hi @gauteh, The GPS on Starnote comes for “free” as it’s built into the radio. It’s effectively a convenience feature so you can use it as a non-blocking external GPS with the Notecard if you want. Rob [Previous page](https://discuss.blues.com/t/lon-lat-not-included-in-starnote-note/3017.md?page=1)