Low SNIR on custom carrier board

I have a custom carrier board I made for the notecard. All seems to work well however the SINR is extremely low. Is there any other diagnostics I can check in the card to figure out what could be the problem? Below results on a WBAN with main and div antenna

{“req”:“card.wireless”,“crc”:“0003:3ce09784”}
{‘crc’: ‘0003:68F3A61F’,
‘net’: {‘rsrq’: -9, ‘modem’: ‘EG91NAXDGAR07A01M1G_20.004.20.004’,
‘internal’: True, ‘band’: ‘LTE BAND 2’, ‘imsi’: ‘310170402126508’,
‘lac’: 2437,
‘sinr’: 17,
‘rssir’: -63,
‘bars’: 3,
‘mnc’: 410,
‘cid’: 29905586,
‘rssi’: -64,
‘mcc’: 310,
‘updated’: 1742906693,
‘rat’: ‘lte’,
‘iccid’: ‘89011704274021265088’,
‘imei’: ‘868032061254805’, ‘rsrp’: -89},
‘mode’: ‘auto’, ‘count’: 3, ‘status’: ‘{modem-off}’}

Hi @bkauf,

A low SINR value (but high RSSI and RSRP…and high bars) basically means you have a strong signal that’s just not very clean. It could mean external RF noise/interference. Are you using an external (flexible) antenna or an onboard antenna on your PCB?

Rob

Hi Rob, thank you for the quick response. This is an external flexible MOLEX 2125700100 antenna https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/molex/2125700100/10489644

Hi @bkauf,

That antenna should be fine. You could try experimenting with other flexible antennas with a more broad frequency range to see if there is any difference (e.g. the one we sell has proven quite reliable).

Rob

Thank you - I will test and let you know

Hi Rob,

I ran some tests today with the note carrier board and 698-4000Mhz and 698-8500Mhz Molex antennas and I can’t seem to get the SNIR up. My SNIR is very low(<=22) in all configs. Pictures of the test setup and results which show good service(2-3 bars), rssi ~-65-61, rsrp -87-90, rsrq -9-10, but SNIR is 6-22 on a NBNA and WBNA. This testing is being done in Manhattan however I do have the some of these deployed in other areas(Kansas, North Carolina, Boston)and seeing similar results where bars are 2/3 but SNIR is extremely low(single digits)

Any ideas what’s going on or suggestions on what to try next?



Hi @bkauf,

I just spent some time digging in to this a bit more and learned that about 3 years ago we made a change to Notecard firmware to align SINR values away from Quectel’s format (which ranged from 0-250) to a standard format of -20 to 30db (yes we need to update our docs!). This means the values you are seeing are quite good (even the 6 is “ok”). On the WBNA you could try adding a diversity antenna to the DIV u.fl connector to see if that improves any values.

Thanks,
Rob

Great news thanks Rob!